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Although we supply a FREE eBook when you purchase a Loft Box, we strongly recommend that you get a professional to finalise the installation for you. There's a strong possibility that you will get the signal levels wrong by over-amplifying (or attenuating) and there's a strong possibility that you will get the choice of UHF channels wrong, resulting in severe interference. Please use double-shielded coaxial cable for every connection.

IMPORTANT

You should be aware that mains-powered equipment installed in the loft can be a fire hazard which may affect your insurance! A loft can become very hot in summer, which adds to the risk. If you install equipment in the loft, please take all appropriate steps to ensure that a fire can not spread, including:

  • Install it in a flame-resistant container with good ventilation.
  • Keep it away from flammable materials.
  • Ensure that it can't accidentally be covered by blankets etc. tossed hurriedly into the loft.
  • Ensure that it is properly fused and connected through a Residual Current Breaker or other safety device.
  • Ensure that it is correctly earthed if an earth connection is provided.
SAT1 - UHF1 - UHF2 - B111/DAB - B1/FM - DC12V - SAT2 - SAT3 - SAT4

DOWNLINK - R/TV1 IR - R/TV2 IR - R/TV3 IR - R/TV4 IR - R/TV5 IR - R/TV6 IR - UPLINK/IR/SAT2 - R/TV7 SAT3 - R/TV8 SAT4

The "Down link" carries SAT1 feed and UHF and Radio down to the 304115 wall plate. The "Up Link" carries SAT2 and IR (remote control signal) down to the plate and carries the RF feed up away from the 304115 wall plate. Scroll down to see the wiring diagram.

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Suggested wiring layout is given, below. We recommend that you copy this as closely as possible.

Before you begin, please make a sketch of your own proposed layout on A4 size paper. This will make it easier to see if you make a mistake. It will also allow you to send a GIF image of your sketch to our Technical department if you require help. Please note that our technical help will necessarily be limited and will be based totally on your ability to describe your layout and your problem. We do recommend that you read our eBook very carefully and, again, to employ a professional if you run into difficulties that we can not solve for you by email.

What use is a Loft Box?

A loft box is able to combine the SAT LNB, TV AERIAL and RADIO AERIAL signals and send them down a single coaxial cable to your main room. (You will also need a Return Feed back to the loft box). This reduces the cable requirement to two instead of four. It can also handle signals from a Remote Control Extender (eg. tvLINK) in the reverse direction.

It is important to understand the limitations of a Loft Box:

It handles modulated RF signals, not raw video. Modulated RF signals will give "average" picture quality which will usually be fine on a 14" portable TV and acceptable on a 21" TV. Analogue transmissions using NICAM will give stereo audio on a suitable TV set. Other signals (eg. Sky Digibox RF Out) will give mono audio. (The only way to get stereo is via Scart or Phono connections and a Loft Box can't handle those).

The more signals you try to feed in to the Loft Box, the worse the picture quality is likely to be. This is due to the limited number of UHF channels available (21 - 69) and the very real risk of cross-modulation between channels (as explained in "Piping TV Around the House".)

You *can* use your existing TV aerial cable as the return feed and simply add the new down feed using double-shielded cable. However, for best results (maximum signal with minimum interference) we recommend you use double-shielded cable for ALL connections.

The satellite TV picture quality through a Loft Box should not be significantly worse than it is when it comes direct from the Digibox RF Output, provided that you've followed the eBook advice. Obviously it can never be as good as Scart or S-Video quality.

To ensure best possible picture and audio, use Scart or S-Video (if you have a SKY-Plus model) for the larger screens. But also bear in mind that digital satellite pictures are a compromise between quality and bandwidth so they'll never be a patch on DVD quality!

The diagram shows a typical Loft Box wiring layout where the Loft Box is expected to be in the roof space or some dry upstairs location. There are optional inputs for an FM aerial, DAB aerial, security camera (or pond camera etc.) A 230 volt AC power supply is required.

The wall plate is in the main viewing room. You can choose from a selection of wall plates, below. Please use the plates and wire them as indicated in the sketch, below. The RETURN feed will allow you to distribute the Sky Digibox programme AND normal TV aerial signal to other rooms, as shown. (So it's not optional - it's essential!) A tvLINK system can be used in each room. The return feed can also carry other signals from the main viewing room (VCR, DVD etc.) These must all be tuned to separate UHF channels 21 - 69 as described in our eBook "Piping TV Around the House", which is supplied for free download with this system.

It's important that you wire up the loft box FULLY as shown in our web page wiring diagram. If you omit vital connections (such as the return feed) the unit can not work. This is obvious from the internal diagram on page 26 of our "Piping TV.." eBook.

Without the Return Feed the signals go ONLY to the living room. They can not go to TV OUT ports because there is no internal connection.

Please DO connect the Return Feed. It need only be a short link cable for the purpose of testing. Please also be sure to connect the decombiner wall plate for each output in use, otherwise you could cause damage.

To ensure correct operation of the Loft Box, please use the wiring diagram that we provide below.

The wall plates listed below the diagram are suitable for use with the Loft Box.

Use the 304115 in the main room and the PSW132, GLO27 or GLO28 in each bedroom.

We do not recommend alternative wall plates.

Frequently Asked Questions

Q. Can I use the Triax 304114 wall plate?

A. No, please use the 304115 as in the diagram, below.

Q. Does the Loft Box aerial input provide power for a masthead amplifier or an MRD?

A. No. You would need to fit a suitable power supply between the Loft Box and the amplifier. Note that an aerial amplifier will overload the Loft Box input unless there is a suitable length of cable (or attenuator) fitted.

Q. What's the difference between the Loft Box versions?

A. The Global version has a number of accessories available for purchase. (See 2nd diagram on Global page). The Philex version is more basic.

The Triax DDU version has the added ability to accept up to FOUR LNB inputs. Two are fed down to the main room and two are fed, one to each of two bedrooms. This is a true "Multiroom" system which incorporates the features of the Global accessories in one unit (but also lets you install a Sky Digibox in two bedrooms).

Q. What do I do if I don't want to use the "Return Link"?

A. Without a Return Link there will be no outputs from the Loft Box so you must connect the "Downlink" output to the "Uplink" input on the Loft Box. You should do this anyway as an initial test to ensure the Loft Box is working.

Q. Would you recommend a masthead amplifier to be used with and powered by a Loftbox?

A. No. A Loft Box normally takes the place of a masthead amplifier and is located as close to the aerial as possible. If a masthead amplifier is used, it's likely to overload the input of the Loft Box built-in amplifier unless you have a very long connecting cable or fit a suitable value attenuator to the input.

Q. Can I get best quality pictures and sound for my Flat Panel display though a Loft Box?

A. No. A Loft Box has no discernible effect on picture quality if connected correctly. However, a Loft Box passes Modulated carrier analogue RF signals such as those from the RF output of a Digibox. What you put in will be what you get out. A Loft Box won't improve it. To get the best possible quality you should use a CAT5 distribution system instead. CAT5 systems will not carry LNB signals.

All Digiboxes produce the same "RF Output" quality picture. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the choice of Loft Box (but it can obviously be affected by the choice and length of coaxial cables and the choice of UHF channels in use if they conflict with each other or with terrestrial channels. See our eBook "Piping TV Around the House").

Q. Why must I solder the TV plugs?

A. If the plugs are carrying power to a "magic eye" or to a masthead amplifier, the wire should be soldered to the centre pin. If you don't do this, it may not make a reliable connection. Even if it does, to begin with, you risk losing the connection as the copper oxidises over months or years. See instructions HERE. If you can't solder then you could fit twist-on "F" connectors and use a "090-4333 TV-F adapter". Note, however, that this arrangement produces a rather long and heavy plug, which might damage the socket in some circumstances.

Q. Why can't I use female TV plugs?

A. Female TV plugs can not be soldered so there's always a risk of a bad connection. It's better to solder a male plug to the cable then use a "COLCM - male-female adapter" to convert it. Apply silicone grease to all plug connections; this will keep moisture out and also make it easier to pull out the plug when necessary.

Q. How many plugs should I order?

A. It depends on exactly how you intend to wire up your system. As you will be making your own wiring sketch, you can mark it according to which plug you need for each connection then count the total of each type.

Q. I want to connect two or three Sky Digiboxes to a Loft Box and I want magic eyes to be able to control all of them. Please tellme how to connect everything.

A. I would stress that the Loft Boxes we sell are designed to be connected as shown in the example wiring diagrams. While small variations may be possible, it is unlikely that I can help you to design a major variation because I have no personal experience of connecting them differently and I have no knowledge of the internal workings, apart from that which is already on these web pages.

It is most important that you draw your own wiring sketch on a LARGE piece of paper before ordering! Time spent determining what you need, now, will save much hassle later!

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PSU included

Notes

1. To allow remote extender compatibility, the uplink and distributed room outlet plates must be non-isolated.

2. For LNB power the master outlet plate must provide DC continuity from the LNB connection.

3. In order to comply with BS EN 50083-1 use earth terminal with 6 sq.mm cable to provide protective earth bonding. See image below.

4. The Loft Box should be installed as close to the outside TV aerial as possible and connected directly to it with double-shielded cable. The Loft Box is itself an amplifier, consequently no other amplification should be required unless a long cable run is unavoidable. The loss in, say, 5 metres of cable (less than 1dB) should make no significant difference to the end result.

5. The "DigiLink" remote extender magic eye may not be compatible with this system. We recommend you use Triax's own brand of remote extender.

Please order the DDU and wall plates below (scroll down).

To make ordering easier please use the list below. Be sure to set the quantities to what you need. You can also change the quantities in the shopping cart. Any item set to zero will be deleted. You can also add additional items from the catalogue. See page 15 for wall plates and page 8 for cable. Click HERE for another loft box wiring example.

Please also click HERE for a very interesting review of the DDU and magic eyes!

A loft box uses only "F" connectors for its connections.

You'll notice that the diagram shows two cables connected to the DDU 304115 plate.
The "Down link" carries SAT1 feed and UHF and Radio down to the plate (SAT1/TV/RADIO IN).
The "Up Link" carries SAT2 and I/R (remote control signal) down to the plate and carries the RF feed up away from the plate (SAT2 IN/Return out).

The Triplex PSW132 plates carry TV, Radio and the other two LNB signals from the Loft Box. The PSW132 plates are not compatible with remote extender "magic eyes" but it is assumed that you will not need a remote extender in a room which has its own satellite TV receiver.

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Initial testing:

If you have not connected a TV aerial, the Loft Box aerial input may pick up interference. Connect a 75 Ohm terminator instead. (Available below). Likewise for the UHF2 input if it's not used for a camera or similar.

Make sure you have completed the downlink/uplink circuit and test the system without connecting any equipment into that loop circuit downstairs. Just connect "TV to "Return" on the 304115 wall plate. If that's OK* in the bedroom(s), introduce equipment into the loop, one at a time, ensuring that each piece of equipment is tuned to a UHF channel that will not interfere with any other in use.

*If it's not OK, make sure that the aerial signal is adequate. The Loft Box gives enough amplification for at least 20m of cable going to the 304115 plate but a longer cable may need additional amplification. If the signal downstairs is OK but the signal upstairs is not, you may need to add a "set-back" amplifier to the 304115 Return feed. Make sure this is a "SkyLink compatible" amplifier, otherwise the remote extenders won't work. Also ensure that the Digibox RF2 outlet goes to "Return" (via the amplifier if required). If you insert anything else between RF2 and the "Return" the remote extenders won't work.


Triax 333112 DDU 8-way Loft Box (inc PSU) with Multiroom connections for Sky Digital £64.95 Customers ordering this usually want the following:

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304115 Triplexed DDU Decombiner output plate TV+Radio+Sat+Sat+Return £10.95

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Main Room with SKY+ or SkyHD

Labgear PSW132 (or equivalent) Triplexed Decombiner output plate TV+Radio+Satellite (no remote extender compatibility.)

One cable from the diplexer or loft box carries TV, Radio and satellite to the wall plate. There is no return feed. Satellite output socket requires "F" connector. UHF (TV) output socket requires a female TV (IEC) plug. Radio output socket requires a male TV (IEC) plug. MORE INFO

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2 Bedrooms with Satellite Digiboxes

GLO28 Global TV+Radio screened/non-isolated decombiner wall plate £4.95
(One cable in)

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2 other bedrooms

GLO27 Global TV screened/non-isolated wall plate £3.95
(One cable in)

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4 other rooms

Cable

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If you prefer to order WF100 cable in various lengths, colours, with or without plugs already fitted, set the Black Reel quantity to zero and order what you need from our cable page.

090-3076 Threaded F plug £0.16

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010-0135 UHF TV plug male £0.20

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010-0137 UHF TV plug male-female converter £0.35

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84202 TV coax plug twist-on steel £0.59

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090-4333 TV-F adapter £0.95
Screws onto an "F" connector so you can plug it into your Aerial input socket on satellite receiver or TV. Allows you to use double-screened coax cable like FF leads above! Use it with our FF leads to make a high quality extension TV lead or RF lead.

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A09351 75 Ohm "F" terminator for unused inputs £0.48

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Silveror Grey Digital link remote extender £7.95

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Don't forget to order extra remote control handsets, cable, cable clips, tools etc.

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